I Need Your Fucking Opinion? ..Come On!

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December 30, 2008 by Justin "JDOG" Marks  
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FUCK..FUCK..FUCK..FUCK..FUCKING..FUCK!! Please for sanity’s sake stop once and for all from using blatantly stock material, especially when it was broadcast to millions on national television. Using an Opinion Opener, or more accurately a False Opinion Opener is a fine and marvellous concept, but there are more, and better ways to start conversations with it than simply saying, “Hey guy’s I need a female opinion…” From now on this shall be referred to as the Taboo Words.

First let us take a journey into the past. That’s right we’re going on a little adventure so strap yourselves in, and introduce yourself to the person in the seat next to you. There are unfortunately no emergency exits, for that you might want to check out Neil Strauss’ new book, “Emergency,” according to him it might just save your life.

Speaking of Neil, as far as I know he coined the term “false opinion,” shortly after adopting Mystery’s method of using opinion openers to start conversations. The idea is that most people are more than happy to start talking about their opinions, especially women. Doubly so when the topic is about relationships. Great, so with the opinion opener we ask women a question where we need their view point, their opinion on something.

Where does the “false” come in then? This is the really sneaky part *rubs hands together like an evil villain* ..but does not mutter “woowhoo ha.ha.ha.haaaa.”

It’s false because you could care less about her(their) opinion(s). The purpose of the opener is not to get any input, it’s to get a conversation started that you can control to your own benefit. It was like discovering a secret back door in the code to talking to women. A way to get them to stop and take notice of you, when previously nice/nerdy guys found that they were quickly brushed off or ignored by attractive women.

Traditionally guys (without game) would open with compliments, or otherwise convey their interest far too early. Attractive women don’t need to meet another guy, especially one who she feels might be clingy, or lack confidence and masculinity. The False Opinion opener got around all that. No wonder there are so many references to The Matrix in the Seduction Community. By using it you telegraphed no interest, and from the girl’s perspective there was no need to brush you off because you obviously had no intention of hitting on her, right? Riiiiggghhht. Genius.

The sneaky part being that you never allow them to really give you an opinion. Instead you swiftly snatch back the conversation while inducing a state of attraction in the girl, which in turn allows you to convey your interest in her. She of course is now both happy and grateful for your interest. Everyone goes home happy.. I mean together.. together and happy.. for a nice ending.. a nice, happy ending.

Equipped with the intellectual knowledge of the process however, many men have found the attraction part to be frustratingly elusive for themselves. Oh yes, speaking of which the attraction is achieved through a cleverly orchestrated series of routines that incorporate use of language, gesture, touching, and the implication of attractive alpha-male or otherwise attractive traits.

BUMP.. BANG.. CRASH.. your ride has now come to an end, and.. you are actually pretty groovy.. thanks for coming, and please continue on to a life of better ways to start conversations.. starting.. NOW!

The first rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club. NO! Shit! Wrong set of rules *shakes head* The first rule is empty the cup, and realise there are no rules. Once you communicate in the way that women find attractive there is no need to stick to a process or any defined rules.. once it clicks you just get it. There seems to be a learning cycle for men that find the seduction community.

They start off with a serious lack of women in their life, so they learn routines, rules, and processes to attract them. They start seeing some results.. they get women in their life, and then it just clicks and they no longer need to try so hard because they have actually changed for the better, and thus have something real to offer. Women are genuinely attracted to them because they like them for them. Their confidence is now real, positively reinforced by real life experiences. This is true for some, but unfortunately it is also the ideal scenario and many guys never actually get there, lost in the cycle. Hopefully somewhat better than when they began, but not always.

Wow, this is some heavy shit considering I was just gonna give you a little lesson on more natural, smoother ways to use the concept of the false opinion opener. Let’s get back to that shall we. There are so many ways to get a conversation going on the right track, for this article though I’m specifically covering alternative ways of using opinion openers. I’ve heard many reports of guys getting busted when starting off with the Taboo Words, where women might say, “Yes I’ve heard that one before.” or even “What.. are you then gonna neg me?” For someone (an AFC) just starting out getting a cold response like that could be devastating.

Fear not! Opinion openers today can be just as effective for the budding seducer as they were when we – the old timers of the online seduction community – were running around robotically repeating the Taboo Words to all those unsuspecting fine fillies (Circa 2002-2003.) Without further a do here are my preferred way’s of using this principle:

Start a conversation with your friends, and then either over the shoulder, or just turning to the people next to you bring them into your conversation by saying something like, “what do you guy’s think about this, we’re talking about…” or “No way I don’t believe these guys (gesturing to your friends) they say blah blah blah..” This works really well because it’s not contrived at all (or at least doesn’t appear that way,) as you are right in front of them having a conversation amongst yourselves. It’s very natural.

“I just got off the phone, and my friend told me the craziest thing..” (then go into your story / false opinion question remembering to omit the Taboo Words) This is a way of verbally grounding your opinion question so that it makes sense and is not questioned. You know you are doing something wrong if they say, “Why are you telling us this?” or “Why are you asking us this?”

“Help me settle something.. blah blah..”

Pre-open with something else such as by pointing away and saying, “wow I just had the weirdest conversation over there.” Then tell them what the discussion was about, and run your false opinion question sans the Taboo Words. Another pre-opener might be something lower octane and as simple as saying “how are u guys doing tonight?” or “I love cabbage.. *pause then smile* just kidding I hate it.” and roll into opener.

Run an opinion opener as normal just subtly change the question so that if they are familiar with the Taboo Words it won’t set off any bells. For example:

• “What do you guys make of this..”
• “You seem intelligent perhaps you have some insight into this..”
• “Have you ever had a quandary?”
• “I’m in a quandary..”
• “High five” high five them.. rock out and/or false time constraint.. then roll into the opener
• Simply roll right into your question or make a statement as your opening hook line. Omit the forsaken Taboo Words just say “Spiderman or Batman?.. who would win in a fight?” or “Should a guy live with 3 women?” or “OMG I just saw my best friend’s girlfriend making out with another girl.. should I tell him? Do you think kissing is cheating? OMG”

Here’s my closing thought, as complex as it unnecessarily may be. The principles of attraction always stay the same, but when the processes by which those principles are exploited become known memetically over time to enough people, new processes must evolve to maintain their effectiveness. There.. I’ve found a way to relate co-evolutionary theory to the art of seduction. I think.. *scratches head*